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It is better to first get the right people on the bus, the wrong people off the bus, and the right people in the right seats, and then figure out where to drive

Jim Collins — but this is a paraphrase Jim Collins
Attribution status: Disputed Reuse status: In copyright

The idea and most of the words are Collins’s, from Good to Great (2001). The sentence is not. The book reports what its research found: “We found instead that they first got the right people on the bus, the wrong people off the bus, and the right people in the right seats—and then they figured out where to drive it.” The familiar “It is better to first get…” recasts that finding as advice, and a full-text search of scanned books finds it in no edition of the book ↗.

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“It is better to first get the right people on the bus, the wrong people off the bus, and the right people in the right seats, and then figure out where to drive” Paraphrase of Jim Collins, not a direct quotation. What he wrote in Good to Great (HarperBusiness, 2001) is: “We found instead that they first got the right people on the bus, the wrong people off the bus, and the right people in the right seats—and then they figured out where to drive it.” The familiar “It is better to first get the right people on the bus…” is a later rewording. Traced by Quotle.info

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Provenance

What the book actually says

Work
Good to Great: Why Some Companies Make the Leap… and Others Don’t
Published
HarperBusiness, New York · 2001
The book’s wording
“We found instead that they first got the right people on the bus, the wrong people off the bus, and the right people in the right seats—and then they figured out where to drive it.”
Status of the popular form
A paraphrase. It turns Collins’s report of what good-to-great leaders did into a general rule (“It is better to…”).

The executives who ignited the transformations from good to great did not first figure out where to drive the bus and then get people to take it there. No, they first got the right people on the bus (and the wrong people off the bus) and then figured out where to drive it. Jim Collins, Good to Great (HarperBusiness, 2001)

Look at the verbs. Collins describes what the leaders he studied did: they “first got” the right people, “then figured out” the route. The quote that circulates turns this into an instruction, “It is better to first get… and then figure out where to drive,” which the book does not say in those words.

Good to Great (HarperBusiness, 2001) on Open Library

How we verified this

  • Read the raw wikitext of the Wikiquote James C. Collins page ↗. It lists the popular sentence under Good to Great, 2001, with a citation of “p. 41” and no edition named.
  • Searched the exact popular wording with Open Library’s full-text search of scanned books ↗. It returns one result, David MacLeod’s The Extra Mile (2008), and no copy of Good to Great.
  • Searched the book’s own phrasing with the same full-text search ↗. That returns about 109 results, including several 2001 scans of Good to Great showing “We found instead that they first got the right people on the bus, the wrong people off the bus, and…” and “No, they first got the right people on the bus (and the wrong people off the bus)…”
  • Confirmed the passage against the author’s own site. jimcollins.com’s “First Who” excerpt from the book ↗ reads “They first got the right people on the bus (and the wrong people off the bus) and then figured out where to drive it.” A site search of Quote Investigator found no article on this line.

Fact-check

How the finding became a maxim

The credit goes to the right person. What changed is the sentence: a researcher’s report of what successful leaders did became a neat piece of advice in words Collins did not print.

What the book saysJim Collins, Good to Great (2001) Genuine — the documented wording

“We found instead that they first got the right people on the bus, the wrong people off the bus, and the right people in the right seats—and then they figured out where to drive it.” Several 2001 scans of the book show this wording in Open Library’s full-text search ↗.

What circulates“It is better to first get the right people on the bus… and then figure out where to drive” Paraphrase

Wikiquote lists this sentence as sourced to Good to Great, “p. 41,” with no edition named (Wikiquote ↗). But a full-text search for it ↗ finds no scanned copy of the book, only a 2008 management title quoting it.

In sportNick Saban Borrowed metaphor

The Alabama football coach set the goal of getting “the right guys on the bus” for spring practice. A 2019 post that quotes him ↗ points out that the analogy is Collins’s, from Good to Great, not Saban’s.

Credit Jim Collins for the idea, but quote what he actually wrote in Good to Great (2001): “they first got the right people on the bus (and the wrong people off the bus) and then figured out where to drive it” (excerpt on jimcollins.com ↗).

Context

Why the bus stuck

“First Who, Then What” is one of the central ideas of Good to Great. Collins’s own summary ↗ says great organizations make sure they have “the right people on the bus and the right people in the key seats” before deciding where to drive the bus. The finding surprised his team: they had expected good-to-great leaders to start by setting a new vision and strategy, and instead found that people came first.

Collins still tells it in different words when he speaks. SmartBrief’s 2016 report of a talk he gave ↗ at the National Association of Mutual Insurance Companies convention quotes him as saying, “First you figure out if you’ve got all the right people on the bus, then you figure out where to drive.” Because so many versions exist, the tidy “It is better to…” sentence passes easily for a direct quotation.

First who, then what.

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The real author of the idea

Who Jim Collins is

Jim Collins

Born 1958 · American business researcher & author

James C. “Jim” Collins was born in Aurora, Colorado, in 1958, studied at Stanford, and joined the faculty of Stanford’s Graduate School of Business in 1988. He co-wrote Built to Last (1994) with Jerry I. Porras, then wrote Good to Great (2001), which introduced the “First Who, Then What” idea behind this line. Later books include How the Mighty Fall (2009) and Great by Choice (2011, with Morten T. Hansen).

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Jim Collins, Good to Great: Why Some Companies Make the Leap… and Others Don’t (New York: HarperBusiness, 2001): “We found instead that they first got the right people on the bus, the wrong people off the bus, and the right people in the right seats—and then they figured out where to drive it.” The popular “It is better to first get…” sentence is a later paraphrase of this passage.

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