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We may conclude that from what science teaches us, there is in nature an order independent of man's existence, a meaningful order to which nature and man are subordinate

Not Planck’s words — a paraphrase of his 1937 lecture Max Planck
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The thought is Planck’s. In his 1937 lecture Religion and Natural Science he says nature is ruled by laws “independent of the existence of thinking human beings” and shows “a rational world order to which nature and mankind are subject.” The popular sentence rewords that passage. It appears in no published translation we could find, and Wikiquote lists it as unsourced ↗.

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“We may conclude that from what science teaches us, there is in nature an order independent of man's existence, a meaningful order to which nature and man are subordinate” Planck’s idea, not his words: a paraphrase of his 1937 lecture “Religion and Natural Science,” which in Frank Gaynor’s 1949 translation speaks of “a rational world order to which nature and mankind are subject.” — Quotle.info

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The real passage behind the popular line

Work
Religion and Natural Science (Religion und Naturwissenschaft)
Delivered
Lecture, 1937
Translation
Frank Gaynor, in Scientific Autobiography and Other Papers (New York: Philosophical Library, 1949)
Popular wording
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In any case, we may say in summary that according to what exact natural science teaches us, the entire realm of nature, in which we human beings on our tiny mote of a planet play only an infinitesimally small part, is ruled by definite laws which are independent of the existence of thinking human beings; … Thus, natural science exhibits a rational world order to which nature and mankind are subject, but a world order the inner essence of which is and remains unknowable to us … Closest genuine wording

From Frank Gaynor’s 1949 translation, between the page markers 180 and 181 in the Internet Archive text. Planck’s German reads “eine vernünftige Weltordnung … der Natur und Menschheit unterworfen sind”: a rational world order, not a “meaningful” one. The popular sentence compresses and rewords this passage.

Scientific Autobiography and Other Papers (1949) at the Internet Archive

How we traced it

  • Wikiquote’s Talk page for Planck lists the exact sentence under “Unsourced,” noting it is “widely attributed to Planck on the internet, but with no known citation to a published source” (Talk:Max Planck ↗). It is absent from the main Wikiquote page ↗.
  • Quote Investigator’s four Planck articles cover other lines and do not address this one (QI: Max Planck tag ↗).
  • An Internet Archive full-text search for “order independent of man’s existence” returns zero hits (search result ↗).
  • The 1949 Philosophical Library edition of Scientific Autobiography and Other Papers contains the closest genuine passage, “ruled by definite laws which are independent of the existence of thinking human beings” (Internet Archive full-text hits ↗).

The popular English wording has no identifiable source, so we assert no copyright status for it. The genuine passage it paraphrases comes from Planck’s 1937 lecture. Its English translation by Frank Gaynor was published in 1949 by Philosophical Library, a post-1931 publication that should be treated as in copyright.

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Planck’s idea, someone else’s sentence

This line circulates online as a direct Planck quotation. Its substance tracks a real passage from his 1937 lecture, but the wording does not match any published text we could locate.

The wordingMax Planck, as popularly quoted Paraphrase

The 1949 English translation says “a rational world order to which nature and mankind are subject,” not “a meaningful order to which nature and man are subordinate” (1949 edition, full-text hit ↗). The German original says “vernünftige Weltordnung” (German text hits ↗).

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Wikiquote editors moved the sentence to the Talk page’s Unsourced list, noting it has “no known citation to a published source” (Talk:Max Planck ↗).

Digitized booksPlanck’s published English texts Not found

A full-text search of the Internet Archive, which holds scans of Planck’s English books, finds no occurrence of “order independent of man’s existence” (zero-hit search ↗).

The thought is genuinely Planck’s, from his 1937 lecture Religion and Natural Science. The sentence itself is an unsourced English rewording. Quote the 1949 Gaynor translation instead: “natural science exhibits a rational world order to which nature and mankind are subject” (1949 edition ↗).

Context

Why Planck talked about a world order

Planck gave Religion und Naturwissenschaft as a lecture in 1937 (Vatican Observatory ↗). In it he argued that science and religion do not contradict each other. The passage behind this quote is the scientific half of that argument. Nature obeys laws that would hold even if no thinking humans existed. Those laws form an order that binds nature and humanity alike, but its “inner essence” stays unknowable to us.

The popular paraphrase keeps the first point and changes the second. “Rational” becomes “meaningful,” and Planck’s caveat that the order’s essence is unknowable disappears. That gives the line a more purposive feel than Planck’s own sentence has.

a rational world order to which nature and mankind are subject

The German original

Planck’s German, as reprinted in many collections, says that a lawfulness rules nature “welche unabhängig ist von der Existenz einer denkenden Menschheit,” and that it represents “eine vernünftige Weltordnung … der Natur und Menschheit unterworfen sind” (Internet Archive full-text hits ↗). Gaynor’s 1949 translation renders this closely. The viral version does not.

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About Max Planck

Max Planck

1858–1947 · German theoretical physicist, originator of quantum theory

Max Planck was the German physicist whose 1900 work on black-body radiation launched quantum theory. He won the 1918 Nobel Prize in Physics. In later life he lectured widely on the philosophy of science, causality and free will. In lectures such as Religion und Naturwissenschaft (1937) he argued that science and religion are compatible.

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Max Planck, “Religion and Natural Science” (lecture, 1937), in Scientific Autobiography and Other Papers, trans. Frank Gaynor (New York: Philosophical Library, 1949), 180–81. The popular wording is a paraphrase and does not appear in this translation.

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