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You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think

Attributed to Dorothy Parker
Attribution status: Attributed Reuse status: In copyright

Quote Investigator finds substantive evidence that Parker made this pun in a parlour word game sometime before March 1935, and no substantive evidence for any other author — but she never wrote it down. The two 1935 gossip columns that first hint at it deliberately refuse to print the line, and no full wording survives until John Mason Brown’s Horizon essay of July 1962.

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“You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think” attributed to Dorothy Parker (1893–1967). Quote Investigator finds substantive evidence she coined the pun before March 1935 and none for any other author, but she never wrote it down; the earliest full wording in print is John Mason Brown’s Horizon essay, July 1962, and the familiar form is quoted in John Keats, You Might as Well Live (1970), p. 46.

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Where the line actually appears

Occasion
A parlour word game — a player is handed a word and must build a sentence around it
Earliest evidence, 1 March 1935
Walter Winchell’s “Broadway” column, Richmond Times-Dispatch — the pun withheld as unprintable
First full wording, July 1962
Horizon: A Magazine of the Arts
Familiar wording, quoted in
You Might as Well Live

When it came to word games, the gentlemen discovered they had met a master. Challenged to use the word “horticulture” in a sentence, Mrs. Parker immediately replied, “You can lead a horticulture, but you can’t make her think.” Reported, not written

John Keats, You Might as Well Live (Simon and Schuster, 1970), page 46, as transcribed by Quote Investigator. Note what this is: a biography published three years after Parker’s death, not a record made at the table.

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How the line reached print

  • 1 March 1935 — the earliest evidence is a tease. Walter Winchell’s syndicated “Broadway” column in the Richmond Times-Dispatch tells readers that “Dorothy Parker can make up a sentence containing the word ‘Horticulture,’ but hardly here.” Weeks later Harrison Carroll dangled the same unprintable “priceless offering” from a word game at a James Gleason party, again without supplying it. Quote Investigator ↗
  • July 1962 — the first full version of Parker’s remark that Quote Investigator has located appears in drama critic John Mason Brown’s essay “High Spirits in the Twenties” in Horizon, rendered with the pun unpacked: “You may lead a whore to culture but you can’t make her think.” Brown reprinted the passage in his 1965 book on Robert E. Sherwood, which spread the ascription further. Quote Investigator ↗
  • 1964 and 1970 — the compressed form we quote today surfaces in a 1964 Phi Delta Kappa symposium volume, where a contributor calls it a “Dorothy Parkerism”, and then in John Keats’s 1970 biography You Might as Well Live. Keats’s page is the citation Wikiquote and the aggregators still rest on. Quote Investigator ↗ · Wikiquote ↗
  • Meanwhile, in the wild — the pun also circulated with no Parker attached: as an orchids gag in the Virginia Spectator (1952) and The Daily Standard of Sikeston, Missouri (1953), and as a catalogued “shaggy dog” punchline in Jan Harold Brunvand’s 1963 Journal of American Folklore classification. Quote Investigator ↗

Fact-check

What has drifted

Nobody serious disputes that the pun is Parker’s. What has drifted is everything around it — the speaker, the wording, the occasion, and who supposedly set her up.

SpeakerMae West Unsupported

Phrase Finder records that the line “has been attributed to Mae West (with little or no justification) and others,” while noting that Parker’s own contemporaries verified the authorship as hers. Phrase Finder ↗

SpeakerAlexander Woollcott 1987

A 1987 television review in the Centre Daily Times handed a mangled variant — “You can lead a whore to culture but you can’t lead her to drink” — to Woollcott rather than Parker. It is the only reassignment in Quote Investigator’s chronology, and it garbles the punchline in the process. Quote Investigator ↗

WordingThe anonymous 1950s joke pages Wording

The Virginia Spectator in December 1952 and The Daily Standard of Sikeston, Missouri in November 1953 both ran the pun as the tag on a longer orchids-and-seduction gag, ending “you can’t lead a horticulture” and naming nobody. Quote Investigator suggests these 1950s variants may have derived from oral transmission of Parker’s pun. Quote Investigator ↗

OccasionThe Algonquin Round Table in its 1920s heyday Unclear

Quote Investigator says outright that whether Parker delivered the pun during the Round Table’s 1920s heyday “is not clear”. The April 1935 column places a “make a sentence with a word” game at a James Gleason party, and Round Table member Marc Connelly recalled a different setup altogether. Quote Investigator ↗

DetailFranklin P. Adams as the man who set the challenge Unconfirmed

Phrase Finder states Parker coined the line after being challenged by Adams to use “horticulture” in a sentence. No citation in Quote Investigator’s chronology names a challenger, and the 1962 Horizon essay presents Adams’s “meretricious” pun as a separate turn in the same game, not as a prompt to Parker. Phrase Finder ↗

The honest verdict is narrow, and worth keeping narrow: Quote Investigator concludes Parker created the horticulture pun sometime before March 1935, with no substantive evidence supporting alternative authorship — but the earliest full wording anyone has found is from July 1962, twenty-seven years after the first cryptic hint of it in print. Quote Investigator ↗

Context

Why the paper trail starts so late

The joke only works out loud. “Horticulture” is the trap: said at speed it becomes “whore to culture,” which turns the worn proverb about leading a horse to water into something no 1930s American newspaper would set in type. That is exactly why the record is so odd — the first two columnists to mention the remark, in March and April 1935, both told readers a brilliant punchline existed and then flatly refused to print it.

So the line spent decades travelling by mouth, which is the ideal condition for a quotation to mutate. When it finally reached print in full, in a July 1962 Horizon essay by the drama critic John Mason Brown, it arrived spelled out as “whore to culture” — the joke explained rather than performed. The compressed form everyone quotes now, with “horticulture” left intact for the reader to trip over, is the one John Keats printed in his 1970 biography, and it is the version Wikiquote and every aggregator have copied since.

Two gossip columnists announced the punchline in 1935 and then declined to print it.

Two loose ends worth knowing about

Round Table member Marc Connelly, reminiscing in 1976, remembered the game running the other way round: a situation was described and the player had to sum it up in a single word. The situation put to Parker was a prostitute who turned down two men because she was leaving for Vassar the next day. Her word was “horticulture.”

Phrase Finder credits the challenge to the columnist Franklin P. Adams. Quote Investigator’s own citations name no challenger — the April 1935 column places the word game at a James Gleason party — and the 1962 Horizon essay treats Adams’s own “meretricious” pun as a separate entry in the same parlour game rather than as the prompt for Parker’s.

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Who was Dorothy Parker?

Dorothy Parker

1893–1967 · American poet, critic, short-story writer and screenwriter

Dorothy Parker (22 August 1893 – 7 June 1967) was an American poet, critic and short-story writer, a founding member of the Algonquin Round Table — the lunch circle of New York writers whose one-liners were relayed to the country through Franklin P. Adams’s newspaper column. She published the verse collections Enough Rope (1926), Sunset Gun (1928) and Death and Taxes (1931), wrote fiction for The New Yorker, and earned two Academy Award nominations for screenwriting, including A Star Is Born (1937). She resented how reliably her epigrams were reassigned to more famous men — she joked in verse that anything clever of hers would end up credited to Oscar Wilde — and she left her literary estate to Martin Luther King Jr., and after his death to the NAACP.

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John Keats, You Might as Well Live: The Life and Times of Dorothy Parker (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1970), 46. Earliest full wording documented in John Mason Brown, “High Spirits in the Twenties,” Horizon: A Magazine of the Arts 4, no. 6 (July 1962): 38; earliest evidence that the pun existed in Walter Winchell, “Broadway,” Richmond Times-Dispatch, March 1, 1935, 17 — all as documented by Quote Investigator.

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