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The Male Libido is Like Being Chained to a Madman

Not David Niven — a modern paraphrase of Sophocles Sophocles c. 497/496 – winter 406/405 BC · Athenian tragedian
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The thought is genuinely ancient. In Book 1 of Plato’s “Republic,” the old man Cephalus recalls asking Sophocles whether age had cost him his appetite for love, and reports the poet’s relief at escaping it. But no published translation reads “the male libido is like being chained to a madman” — that compression is modern, and David Niven’s connection to it is a line of film dialogue, not authorship.

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“The Male Libido is Like Being Chained to a Madman” Sophocles (c. 497–406 BC), as relayed by Cephalus in Plato's Republic, Book 1 — the modern "chained to a madman" wording is a paraphrase, not a translation · Verbatim: “Peace… most gladly have I escaped the thing of which you speak; I feel as if I had escaped from a mad and furious master.”

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Provenance

The source

Spoken by
Sophocles, as relayed by Cephalus to Socrates
Recorded in
Plato, “The Republic,” Book 1
Translation shown
Benjamin Jowett — public domain, read in full at Project Gutenberg
Closest to the modern wording
A 1941 translation by Francis Macdonald Cornford: “it is like escaping from bondage to a raging madman”
David Niven’s connection
He spoke a paraphrase as Peter Carter in “A Matter of Life and Death” (1946)

How well I remember the aged poet Sophocles, when in answer to the question, How does love suit with age, Sophocles,—are you still the man you were? Peace, he replied; most gladly have I escaped the thing of which you speak; I feel as if I had escaped from a mad and furious master.

Benjamin Jowett’s translation of “The Republic,” Book 1, read directly from the Project Gutenberg text. Cephalus is the speaker; the words after “Peace, he replied” are Sophocles’. Note what is not here: no chain, and no madman — Jowett has “a mad and furious master.”

Plato, “The Republic,” translated by Benjamin Jowett (Project Gutenberg)

How we verified this

  • Quote Investigator’s study of the saying ↗ traces the whole family of “libido” similes back to Book 1 of Plato’s “Republic,” and explains the tangle of credits as a transmission problem: the remark passes from Sophocles to Cephalus to Socrates and then to Plato’s page, so each of them has been named as its author.
  • We read the passage ourselves in Jowett’s public-domain translation at Project Gutenberg ↗ rather than relying on a summary. It reads “I feel as if I had escaped from a mad and furious master” — which is not the famous wording.
  • QI transcribes four translations and no two agree: “a frantic and savage master” (1852), “a mad and furious master” (Jowett), “bondage to a raging madman” (1941, Francis Macdonald Cornford — a surname QI’s own citation spells “Cornfield”) and “a sort of frenzied and savage master” (Bloom). Only the 1941 version supplies both the bondage and the madman, which is why the modern aphorism resembles it most.
  • On the David Niven link, QI quotes the exchange ↗ from “A Matter of Life and Death” (1946) ↗, written and directed by Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger: Niven’s character attributes the line to Sophocles on screen. QI’s only citation for that dialogue is a YouTube upload, which we did not treat as a transcript, so we report the exchange as QI’s transcription rather than as verified film text.

Plato’s Greek has been out of copyright for centuries, and the Jowett translation quoted above is public domain — you can read the whole of it free at Project Gutenberg. The famous wording is a different matter: it matches no published translation we could find, so it has no identifiable author, publisher or date, and we assert no rights status for it. The 1941 translation it most resembles remains in copyright.

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Fact-check

Often misattributed

Quote Investigator lists eight candidates for this one line. The reason is structural rather than careless: in Plato’s text the remark is quoted inside a quotation inside a dialogue, so four different people can each look like the speaker.

Socrates

Russell Brand’s 2007 memoir “My Booky Wook” has “Socrates says the male libido is like being chained to a madman,” and QI records that this is the earliest “chained” instance it found ↗. Socrates is the listener in the scene, not the speaker.

Plato Context

Plato wrote the dialogue down, which makes him the author of the book but not of the remark. QI attributes the analogy to Sophocles “in The Republic” ↗, and the work itself ↗ is his.

David Niven Recited it, did not write it

Niven delivered a version as Peter Carter in “A Matter of Life and Death” (1946) — and in the scene his character explicitly credits Sophocles. The screenplay was by Powell and Pressburger; an actor speaking a scripted paraphrase is not its author.

Kingsley Amis

A 2001 “Guardian” profile quotes Paul Whitehouse recalling Amis saying his libido’s retirement was like being released after “50 years… chained to an idiot,” as QI documents ↗. That is a second-hand recollection of a variant, from 2001.

Any of them, as usually quoted Paraphrase

The sentence in circulation is a modern compression. QI’s own conclusion ↗ is that the translations “founded an evolving family of sayings,” moving from “escaped,” “savage” and “master” toward “chained” and “madman” over time.

Quote Investigator’s finding ↗: the analogy belongs to Sophocles as reported in “The Republic,” the multiple credits come from the nested framing of the quotation, and the familiar “chained to a madman” phrasing is a late arrival in an evolving family of sayings.

Context

Why it mattered

Cephalus is not complaining about old age — he is defending it. The whole point of the passage is that the losses people dread turn out to feel like release, and Sophocles is his star witness: desire was not a pleasure but a tyrant, and age fired it.

That argument opens the “Republic,” and it sets up everything after it. Before Plato can ask what justice is, he needs a speaker calm enough to ask the question — so the dialogue begins by clearing the passions out of the room.

Desire was not a pleasure but a tyrant, and age fired it.

Read the full story

The reason this quote has eight claimants is worth spelling out, because it is a useful lesson in how attributions decay. Plato writes a dialogue in which Socrates reports a conversation with Cephalus, in which Cephalus reports a conversation with Sophocles. Strip one layer and Cephalus becomes the speaker; strip two and it is Socrates; strip three and it is Plato.

Translation then does the rest. Each English version reaches for different words — a savage master, a furious master, a raging madman — and the aphorism that finally stuck in the 21st century belongs to none of them. It is the shape of the thought that survived, not the sentence.

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Four translations side by side, the David Niven film scene, and the drift from “savage master” to “chained to a madman.”
Plato, The Republic (Jowett)gutenberg.org

The complete public-domain translation. The Sophocles exchange is near the start of Book 1.
Sophoclesen.wikipedia.org

The Athenian tragedian (c. 497–406 BC) to whom the remark is ascribed.
Republic (Plato)en.wikipedia.org

Background on the dialogue that records the exchange.
A Matter of Life and Death (1946)en.wikipedia.org

The Powell and Pressburger film in which David Niven speaks a version of the line.
Cephalusen.wikipedia.org

The character who actually relays Sophocles’ remark in Book 1.

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About Sophocles

Sophocles

c. 497/496 – winter 406/405 BC · Athenian tragedian

Sophocles was one of the three Athenian tragedians whose work survives, and by some distance the most successful of them in his own lifetime: he entered thirty dramatic competitions, won twenty-four, and was never placed lower than second. Of more than 120 plays, seven survive complete, among them Antigone and Oedipus Rex. He lived into his nineties, which is why Plato could plausibly cast him as the authority on what old age does to desire.

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Plato. The Republic. Translated by Benjamin Jowett. Book 1. Project Gutenberg eBook 150. Sophocles’ remark is relayed by Cephalus. The modern “chained to a madman” wording appears in no published translation; see Quote Investigator, 15 March 2014.

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